Axios Macro

October 09, 2025
If each state were its own nation, how many would be at or near recession right now? Our colleague Emily Peck has a look at the answers that a leading economist came up with after crunching the numbers.
- Plus, Courtenay is in the room at a banking conference hosted at the Federal Reserve, where Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent spoke this morning. She has all the intrigue below.
Today's newsletter, edited by Jeffrey Cane and copy edited by Katie Lewis, is 927 words, a 3½-minute read.
1 big thing: The 22 states close to (or in) recession

Twenty-two states are either in a recession or on the precipice of a downturn, according to an intriguing analysis from Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Analytics.
Why it matters: The states in contraction are spread across the country — from Washington to Virginia to Maine — and make up about a third of overall GDP.
- Their problems are driven largely by a mix of slowing immigration, increasing tariffs and federal job cuts, Zandi argues.
- The analysis is based on Zandi's calculation of where things stood in the economy at the end of August — perhaps more useful now, as more data measures go dark with the federal government shut down.
How it works: He created an index looking at state-level jobs data as well as other inputs, including modeled industrial production, personal income and housing starts.
- The idea was to mimic what the eight-member National Bureau of Economic Research Business Cycle Dating Committee does when it determines if the economy is in a recession.
- While employment is the most important indicator, it is only one of many, Zandi tells Axios.
Between the lines: The states that received a negative index ranking landed in the recession bucket; the rest are either still expanding or "treading water."
- For those categories, Zandi says he ultimately made some judgment calls after looking at more inputs, including credit card delinquency rates, credit scores, port activity and migration.
Reality check: Like NBER's recession call, this is a subjective assessment. But in this case, it's just one economist doing the ranking.
- Overall, the economy is not in a recession and the national unemployment rate — at least in August — was still relatively low.
The big picture: The states most impacted are the ones more reliant on agriculture and manufacturing. Those sectors are more likely to be affected by tariff increases, Zandi says.
- The immigration crackdown is suppressing growth as well.
- Also in trouble are the states most exposed to federal job cuts, like Virginia and Maryland. Unemployment in Washington, D.C., was 6% in August, the highest in the country.
Also on the recession list:
- Iowa, where farmers are struggling in the fallout from the trade war. Yet its unemployment rate in August was at 3.8%, lower than the national average of 4.3%.
- Kansas and South Dakota also have more exposure to agriculture.
- Georgia, Illinois and Oregon have comparatively large manufacturing industries.
States doing well are ones still seeing robust population growth, particularly Texas and Florida.
What to watch: New York and California, both in the "treading water" category, could decide which way the national economy goes.
- Keeping them afloat for now is a soaring stock market, which is buoying the wealthy households that are more prevalent in those states.
- California has the second-highest jobless rate in the country at 5.5%, which is basically unchanged since August of last year. In New York, unemployment is 4%, just under the national average.
- "If New York and California turn down, the nation's going into recession," Zandi says.
The bottom line: "My takeaway is not that the economy is in recession, but it's pretty darn close," he says.
2. Bessent visits the Fed
Bessent touted President Trump's economic policies at the Fed this morning during a speech and subsequent panel moderated by the central bank's regulatory chief, Michelle Bowman.
Why it matters: That sentence might have shocked Fed watchers in years past, given the central bank's focus on the optics of independence from the executive branch — but it's the new normal, as this is Bessent's second appearance at a Fed conference in three months.
- Bowman is among the officials said to be on the shortlist to be the next Fed chair — an interview process led by Bessent.
What they're saying: "The deficit for this fiscal year ending Sept. 30 will be slightly lower," Bessent told a room of community bankers, a comment met with applause.
- Bessent was referring to estimates from the Congressional Budget Office released yesterday that showed the deficit shrank as a share of GDP in the 2025 fiscal year, to 6% from 6.4% in 2024.
The intrigue: Bessent spoke at a conference that focused on community banking, a topic Bowman said she had "never heard a Treasury secretary talk about the importance of ... in the United States and for the U.S. economy.
- "The banks that serve Main Street must have the same chance to succeed as the banks that serve Wall Street — but the post-crisis regulatory framework has instead become a threat to the community bank model," Bessent said in his prepared remarks.
Bessent's comments during the subsequent Q&A focused on Trump's deregulatory agenda and cryptocurrency-related innovations that the White House has embraced.
- "With this administration's effort to bring manufacturing back to the U.S. ... when you see a multinational company set up, they are going to need a big ecosystem," Bessent said.
- "JPMorgan is not interested in the ecosystem. I think everybody in this room should be," he added.
Of note: Fed governor Lisa Cook, whom Trump is attempting to fire pending a Supreme Court decision, was among the officials in the room for Bessent's discussion.
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